Selfimage Honesty

[kitty]

HAHA awww Glance ;D Stats? Gimme all important data and we can start thinking about ...

And we really DO disagree on everything, it´s so much fun and so important for me coming back to that forum WAY too often when I should actually work

[Glance A'Lot]

What you mean all important data?

It's all there for the reading...
Everything that disqualifies me can be found earlier in this thread!

[Ubereil]

May 22, 2009 11:33:58 GMT fughawzi said:

So is that what people do, compare beauty to themselves? God, I don't understand what is normal at all. I've never done that. And I tend to do the whole culture doesn't play a big role in it thing, if someone is pretty to me then they're pretty, no matter where they are from. I guess everything just boils down to personal taste, huh?

You find pepole pretty?

*Pokes at Fughawzi to see if she goes up in smoke.*

Übereil

[mobbie]

Interesting topic. I myself am a very harsh judge when it comes to people's phsyics. Then again, I suffer extremely effective metabolism and can not, in any way I try, gain more weight. I'm 180 and weigh 67 atm (ranges from 67-70) and my body fat percent is measly 6% right now. Some envy this, some don't. But wether or not I'm happy with it is irrelevant, the only way for me to gain weight is by going to the gym more often, but I'm a born runner, so this is very challenging as well.
But in the end it all comes down to what you think of yourself, and by that, you judge others.
I love myself wholeheartedly, and I do have an unintended superior view on others when it comes to the matter of physics. But even this stops when you think of the one you love, you will know there's no1 prettier, so i'm with elly, attractiveness is very subjective.

[kilgoretrout]

May 14, 2009 8:48:06 GMT kitty said:

May 13, 2009 16:15:23 GMT Elliot Kane said:

But on the bright side, once you achieve a true separation between pro-human prejudice and observation, all you see are people. they aren't 'attractive' or 'unattractive' because the terms cease to have meaning. They simply exist, like any other creature

I could do that but it isn´t what helps me understand human perception of visual appereance. That humans are animals is no news but I personally think it is impossible to not feel attracted or unattracted by ones own will. I met people who were very kind but totally unattractive and that formed my further opinion - if I want or not.

(it´s an interesting topic, isn´t it? ^^)

It sounds to me as though you spend much time judging others, the way they look and live and then somehow you gain a better feeling about yourself? Am I wrong in this?

I find confidence appealing. I find those who judge others to be lacking confidence , in an attempt to gain a false sense of security , they try to knock others down, not appealing.

Try swimming in an area not so shallow , perhaps you might find beauty in that depth.

[fughawzi]

May 24, 2009 18:25:58 GMT Ubereil said:

May 22, 2009 11:33:58 GMT fughawzi said:

So is that what people do, compare beauty to themselves? God, I don't understand what is normal at all. I've never done that. And I tend to do the whole culture doesn't play a big role in it thing, if someone is pretty to me then they're pretty, no matter where they are from. I guess everything just boils down to personal taste, huh?

You find pepole pretty?

*Pokes at Fughawzi to see if she goes up in smoke.*

Übereil

What made you think that I wasn't a puff of smoke already?

God! Assumptions, people.

[kitty]

May 25, 2009 15:58:56 GMT kilgoretrout said:

May 14, 2009 8:48:06 GMT kitty said:

I could do that but it isn´t what helps me understand human perception of visual appereance. That humans are animals is no news but I personally think it is impossible to not feel attracted or unattracted by ones own will. I met people who were very kind but totally unattractive and that formed my further opinion - if I want or not.

(it´s an interesting topic, isn´t it? ^^)

It sounds to me as though you spend much time judging others, the way they look and live and then somehow you gain a better feeling about yourself? Am I wrong in this?

I find confidence appealing. I find those who judge others to be lacking confidence , in an attempt to gain a false sense of security , they try to knock others down, not appealing.

Try swimming in an area not so shallow , perhaps you might find beauty in that depth.

Hey kil, who the hell are you? : D nice meeting and all


It´s quite the opposite acually. I get frustrated everyday when I realize how limited my "collection" of people becomes through my judging of them. Not a confidence booster, more a beauty depression.

I think I´m quite a perfectionist and not having the perfectionism around me, frustrates me.

But sure I am shallow. So are you. And everyone for that matter - cause that´s how we are all programmed - judging by the best genes to reproduce awesome kids. That´s called nature.

Actually I think being tolerant about someones looks is a trained behaviour and against our biological calling.
All peacock ladies choose the peacock male by his impressive tailfeathers - if the peacock boy doesn´t have impressive feathers, his chances are slim to find a healthy peacock lady.

Tolerance towards beauty is a human trait... so it seems.

[kitty]

@ Glance - hehe, well they are more important stats than that... but that is PG again

@ mobbie - yes attractiveness is nothing ones can generally talk about but what brings one to be attracted to someone else is rather interesting, isn´t it?

Also, I was thinking about, if attraction is related to our biological calling to reproduce - what´s with homosexuals? Is a lesbian woman attracted to similar female traits han a straight man? Does a gay man like what a straight female likes about another man?

[Elliot Kane]

I believe it is a simple confusion beyond the social bonding instinct and the mating instinct, Kit.

Humans bond most significantly with other humans in those two ways, after all. I'm pretty sure I dealt with that in more detail in Humanology, somewhere.

[kitty]

Ye we had this somehow before but, that´s a bit different I think, topicwise.

I found it tricky to say "confusion", I have to find a good argument why though..

[Elliot Kane]

It's a completely different topic, yes, but you DID ask ;D

I prefer 'confusion' because it doesn't sound like anyone is being judged or condemned for anything.

[Glance A'Lot]

@ Glance - hehe, well they are more important stats than that... but that is PG again

That may be true - on the rated side, I had no complaints (on the contrary), but when you're on the far side from Adonis, you have to make up - with more than just that!

But then again, you have to be given, or get the chance to make up - and in your post you weren't encouraging...

{BTW - my daughter has advised me sternly that I can do whatever I want, but that the woman of my heart better not be younger than she (she just turned 30) - now I'm pondering on going into a late puberty rebellion phase - I have a ton to get even with her ;D}

[kitty]

LOL Glance!

Well, I had ... male friends that probably out-aged you. Not that this has ANYTHING to do with the topic! (is your daughter hot? oh wait, I can´t ask that to daddy, can I ;D)

[Glance A'Lot]

Oh, I don't mind the question, kitty

Let me put it this way - she had wild times, and some of my grey hairs are her achievement...

Her biggest fear now is my statement, that it is a grandfather's duty to tell his granddaughter everything about the juvenile sins of her mother

[kilgoretrout]

May 26, 2009 10:11:10 GMT kitty said:

May 25, 2009 15:58:56 GMT kilgoretrout said:

Hey kil, who the hell are you?

quote]

Ze mos baddesst Mofo Cat EVA!!

[kitty]

@ Glancy - Lol, so.. so many sins eh? *interested*

@ kil -

TOPIC

I talked to someone yesterday night who is even worse than me. He has SO specific interests in other peoples looks, that 90% of all females he passes fail to attract miserably.
As an example : I´m already too big for him. as more I talk about it to people, as more I have the feeling LOTS of people have very VERY specific ideas about other peoples look.

But I wonder now - is it an agething? When the "reproduction time" is over, do people become more "I take what I get"?

[Elliot Kane]

No. Speaking personally, I was never all that interested in how people looked, honestly. I'm far more interested in who they are and always have been. My preferred physical type is purely aesthetic and has no bearing on whether or not I'm interested in dating someone or not. That's always been the case.

[Glance A'Lot]

I have an ex-colleague, married to a friend of mine, who said three things were a no-no in her life:

- owning a Mercedes, because of the general attitude of the drivers of that brand;
- owning a German Shepard, because of owners of such being unbearably enthusiastic;
{or, for the Germans, it being terribly 'spiessig'}
- and having a daughter, because she was afraid (and kind of certain) she would turn out like her mother was when young

Well, they found a not to be refused offer on a big used car, a Mercedes station wagon; couldn't turn down a German Shepard when looking for a guard dog for their home (situated lonely in the country side); ...

...and then she got pregnant - and I told her, it will be a daughter, which she fervently denied - the child is called Frederika ;D

so, kitty, when your attitude or circumstances change, and you are expecting - then I will happily tell you all the cruel details!


On the other issue, I have to admit, that women that attract me do fall in a certain 'prey scheme'. Not necessarily with all the factors included - I've always been able to compromise on a certain level - and there is no absolute like 'only a certain hair color/eye color' or other feature (though I have a faible for contrasts, like dark hair/blue eyes or blonde with brown eyes), but a general similarity cannot be denied.

There are definite killers:
- a squeaky voice;
- a dull personality (or lack of wit);
- face > body, meaning there are facial features the best toned body can't make up for me.

But to a beautiful mind I can be a friend for life - even nothing but that.

[kitty]

May 27, 2009 13:52:51 GMT Glance A'Lot said:

I have an ex-colleague, married to a friend of mine, who said three things were a no-no in her life:

- owning a Mercedes, because of the general attitude of the drivers of that brand;
- owning a German Shepard, because of owners of such being unbearably enthusiastic;
{or, for the Germans, it being terribly 'spiessig'}
- and having a daughter, because she was afraid (and kind of certain) she would turn out like her mother was when young

Well, they found a not to be refused offer on a big used car, a Mercedes station wagon; couldn't turn down a German Shepard when looking for a guard dog for their home (situated lonely in the country side); ...

...and then she got pregnant - and I told her, it will be a daughter, which she fervently denied - the child is called Frederika ;D

so, kitty, when your attitude or circumstances change, and you are expecting - then I will happily tell you all the cruel details!


On the other issue, I have to admit, that women that attract me do fall in a certain 'prey scheme'. Not necessarily with all the factors included - I've always been able to compromise on a certain level - and there is no absolute like 'only a certain hair color/eye color' or other feature (though I have a faible for contrasts, like dark hair/blue eyes or blonde with brown eyes), but a general similarity cannot be denied.

There are definite killers:
- a squeaky voice;
- a dull personality (or lack of wit);
- face > body, meaning there are facial features the best toned body can't make up for me.

But to a beautiful mind I can be a friend for life - even nothing but that.

I know, people NEVER believe me when they are older than me but I´ll be NEVER expecting. I hate children. Sorry.

(I hate babies, small children, big children, beginning teenagers... the only time I can even START to think about communication is to about 13 years olds - I also hate parents when they are new to parenthood, I hate grandparents and I hate babytalk! I hate that new parents become so totally absorbed in their childraising paranoia, that they talk dumb, do dumb things and generally become less clever, i also hate that they often change their priorities, formerly obsessed nightclubbers become "oh we are totally happy in our couch at home" people and by the time the kid is 3, mummy needs "holidays from motherhood", pushes her damn kidtrolley carelessly through supermarkets, speaks loud about her tender nipples after breastfeeding and how her hubby is so good in chnaging diapers, and i hate daddies with their "my princess is the prettiest!" BS, with their "my boy becomes a soccer/rugby/boxchampion!", with the whole "you are my daughter and as long as I AM the man of the house, you won´t bring mister x home/won´t go out in THAT dress!", i hate the life-ending things parents do, like neclegting their friends or chatting them up with child[Censored]so much, they hardly meet or never having a real sexlife again cause "little Susi could hear it" or "we can´t do it in the kitchen, what if the kids come in!", parents lose their damn names too! they become mum and dad and way too often, mum calls dad DAD instead of marc and formerly Anna, they mother of Janette, is now forever Granny - wth! I can´t stand kids.)


Sorry for the rant but I couldn´t help myself.

[Glance A'Lot]

Hold your breath! ;D

You were quite clear before - actually I was counting on it, hence the pre-condition

{you certainly seem a multi-fuse person - easy to lit on various topics, and explosive! }