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Post by kilgoretrout on May 30, 2009 18:06:17 GMT
To Kitty,
There was absolutely no judgement , just questions , observations , I never made a statement against you. That goes beyond my mere opinion and into the kingdom of FACT.
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Post by kitty on May 30, 2009 19:30:40 GMT
^ whatever you say hun. I actually couldn´t care less, seeing that whatever I say you ignore or take personal anyway  so lets just forget about it. |
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Post by kilgoretrout on May 30, 2009 20:03:40 GMT
ok "sweetie"but for the record I take nothing personal.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 31, 2009 9:59:33 GMT
My statements about kids had nothing to do with the thread title. It was merely an reaction to a sentence I heard way too often ("when you are expecting we talk again..."). Well, the full quote was "when your attitude or circumstances change, and you are expecting - then I will happily tell you" - a 'when and if', so to speak, and was a reaction to the 'interested' in the sins of my daughter (a topic I have no problem stating that it exists, but would not discuss in detail publicly). I have no doubt of your current attitude - I've seen it before in other individuals (male and female) and I've seen it persist, and I've seen it change - and I can't say it was systematic or predictable. So I'm not saying YOU will change opinion eventually - but I will also not take any bets that you will not (And you shouldn't either - life is a [Censored] {<- female dog!}! I know, she bit me! ) This potential for change may be inconceivable to you at the moment - but going back to self image honesty - have you had firm and strong opinions before on other issues, that have developped or even changed? My life is full of them...  |
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Post by kitty on May 31, 2009 15:47:40 GMT
^Not of that importance. I don´t think I ever changed my opinion on something so drastic when I was really sure about it at one point. Anything that I did change my opinion on, where stuff that I started out with a "I´m not sure if I would", so far, whenever I said "I won´t. Ever." I didn´t. My best and worst characteristic, you see  |
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Post by Elliot Kane on May 31, 2009 16:33:14 GMT
My main addiction being to ferreting out what I think is true, I change mere opinions in the face of evidence all the time. Some very firmly held convictions have gone by the board that way.
I try never to say never, these days. If I change my mind again, it looks kinda silly ;D
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Post by ss on May 31, 2009 17:56:07 GMT
^Not of that importance. I don´t think I ever changed my opinion on something so drastic when I was really sure about it at one point. Anything that I did change my opinion on, where stuff that I started out with a "I´m not sure if I would", so far, whenever I said "I won´t. Ever." I didn´t. My best and worst characteristic, you see Sooooo.....Are you saying - "I have my mind made up, so don't confuse me with any facts.? ;D |
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Post by Ubereil on May 31, 2009 18:00:21 GMT
^Not of that importance. I don´t think I ever changed my opinion on something so drastic when I was really sure about it at one point. Anything that I did change my opinion on, where stuff that I started out with a "I´m not sure if I would", so far, whenever I said "I won´t. Ever." I didn´t. My best and worst characteristic, you see Sooooo.....Are you saying - "I have my mind made up, so don't confuse me with any facts.? ;D Reminds me of that time I signed up to TeamSarah.org to see if I could get me some funny debates understand the conservative mindset better... Übereil |
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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 31, 2009 18:22:54 GMT
My best and worst characteristic, you see No, I don't - Ok, I'm going to play with fire now, but then I'm a dragon, eh!? - I see nothing 'best' in being static. Being reliable is good, being absolutely calculable may be dangerous, being adamant about an attitude or opinion can develop into fanatism. The observations in your rant are quite wide spread, that's true. You have taken the decision of not wanting to be, respectively become, that way. Which means you expect (or fear?) that that is an absolute, infallible consequence... ...which I believe is not necessarily so. Note that it is not within my intention to influence your decision as such (Now, THAT would fire up resistance, contradiction, rebellion, a cold day in the dragon lair!) - what I'm trying to convey is that decisions in life should be open to being questioned, reassessed, quite possibly reconfirmed or adapted. Being a 'take it or leave it' rock personality can be a firm base - for a time. Life, to me, is like water and wind - over time they erode the hardest rock... The Heart Of The Rock is a result of that personal experience And Sam - I believe the specific issue is not one which can be reduced to mere facts
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Post by kilgoretrout on May 31, 2009 20:02:32 GMT
Once you decide to operate within the parameters of "never" about any issue , you lose the possability to use discretion and make good descisions based on current data.
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Post by Glance A'Lot on May 31, 2009 23:44:42 GMT
This appears not an objective decision based on facts and current data, but rather very subjective and within her discretion!
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Post by kilgoretrout on Jun 1, 2009 1:10:38 GMT
What I mean to say is future discretion , if you make the mistake of saying "never" on a certain issue, when some issue arrives in the future , you would either have to remain in an ignorant state while ignoring any relevant information or use discretion and current data to make a new informed decision, which would make a hypocrite of those who say "never".
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Post by Elliot Kane on Jun 1, 2009 1:31:40 GMT
We all swear 'Never!' sometimes. Most of us change our minds later, sure, but there are worse hypocrisies in humanity than those cause by a sudden onset of either wisdom or reasonableness |
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Post by kitty on Jun 1, 2009 8:16:20 GMT
Kil - the problem is, this topic here (pregnancy, getting a child) is not one that can be tested out, so there are never current data. Surely, I could get pregnant and realize "oh yeah awesome" or "I was always right..." but that wouldn´t be really clever, would it?
I might have to detail my opinion - I do hate kids because IT´S NOT WHAT I CAN IMAGINE FOR ME - doesn´t mean kids in general are subject of my hatred.
In fact, by being very sure about that i ->never<- want children, I´m doing the potential children something good, since I don´t plan to test out if I might like em when I have them. Cause if I don´t, I simply was careless enough to play with someones life.
Situations that can´t be tested and are not factive, can very well use a wellmeant "never".
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Post by kilgoretrout on Jun 1, 2009 22:02:07 GMT
Kitty , I'm not talking specifics anymore, I'm just saying in general terms like "hate" and "Never" are contrary to good decision making.
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Post by kitty on Jun 2, 2009 7:14:20 GMT
Well, any topic I ever said "I hate" and "I never" was specific. Or I said it in rage like "I hate Miley Cyrus" but surely that´s not the same "hate" like I used with children. That´s a "I can´t stand the girls voice but it´s common to say hate, though I can´t hate her since she still has success" but that would be a bit much to write, eh? Anyway. |
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so lets just forget about it.
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