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Post by Shan on Aug 9, 2005 0:10:07 GMT
Tragic, I am going to go ahead and start the chapter 3 discussion. If you still have more to add to chapter 2 or want to talk about it some more that is OK. I expect things to pop up at times that will take us back to another chapter and as long as we label what chapter we are talking about I think we will be OK. Shan
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Post by Shan on Aug 9, 2005 0:48:13 GMT
Chapter 3First thought as I started to read this chapter was "What do all these clippings from the Daily Prophet mean? Are they significant in some way?" I still don't have an answer for that. One of them mentioned a rumor of a rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour. Wonder what that could be about? Remember what Snape said in the last chapter about Dumbledore: "I am pleased to say, however, that Dumbledore is growing old. The duel with the Dark Lord last month shook him. He has since sustained a serious injury because his reactions are slower than they once were." And now we read in this chapter (talking about Dumbledore): "As he replaced his wand in his pocket, Harry saw that his hand was blackened and shriveled; it looked as though his flesh had been burned away." Was this the same injury that Snape mentioned in the previous chapter? Did Dumbledore receive this injury when he fought Voldemort? We find out that Harry inherited all of Sirius' personal belongings and his house, number 12 Grimmauld Place, which the Order of the Phoenix was using for their headquarters. It was interesting how Kreacher was used to determine whether Harry really did own the house or not. I found the part about Kreacher funny. I loved the way he kept saying "Kreacher won't, Kreacher won't, Kreacher won't. Kreacher belongs to Miss Bellatrix, oh yes, Kreacher belongs to the Blacks, Kreacher wants his new mistress, Kreacher won't go to the Potter brat, Kreacher won't, won't, won't." I don't think Harry or Kreacher are very fond of each other. But evidently Kreacher does now belong to the Potter brat cause he had to do what Harry told him to do. And to send him to work at Hogwarts even though the other elves could watch him did not sound very wise to me. Kreacher is nothing but trouble. OK, I've got more, but this is a start. Oooooooooooooo, I've always got more when it comes to this book and speculations. ;D Shan
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Post by Shan on Aug 12, 2005 2:51:11 GMT
Chapter 3Here are a few more thought about chapter 3. Dumbledore reminds the Dursley's about Voldemorte and about Harry's attempts to kill him. He then tell them that Harry is in even greater danger than when he (Dumbledore) left him on their doorstep 15 years ago. He also reminds them that they did not do what he had asked them to do, raise Harry as their own son. At the time Dumbledore brought Harry to the Dursley's, he evoked a very powerful protection spell to protect Harry as long as he lived with the Dursley's. He wants to make sure that Harry will be able to return there and be under that protection until he is 17. Does Dumbledore know something at this time that is not being told? Is he afraid something is going to happen to him and he wants to be sure that the Dursleys will allow Harry to return to their home once more? Why would he remind them of all of this now? None of the Dursleys say a word. Dudley sits there trying to figure out how he could have been mistreated. Uncle Vernon looks like he has something stuck in his throat, and Aunt Petunia, however, was oddly flushed. Why does Rowling write this about Petunia? It seems oddly stated to me. Aunt Petunia, however, was oddly flushed. Is this some kind of a clue? I wonder. Shan
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Post by tragic on Aug 19, 2005 13:10:12 GMT
Chapter 3Well the first thing which struck me was the newspaper articles...i mean there is one of Nevilles grandmother but we dont dont manage to read the rest of it..a pity would like to hvae read the rest of it. I was slightly dissapointed that Hary didnt get into too much trouble this time...with the Durselys i mean..i have gone used to that and Harrys ways of scaring them. Rowling takes a slightly different approach this tme around. However in this chapter Dumby does that for him...the mead knocking against their heads was a funny sight...so was how Dumby being so polite managed to offend the Dursleys. The thing about Sirius was this: What about his bike...i expect Harry to use it in book 7.....like some kind of lone rider. Kreacher...hes going to be a problem...maybe later in this book or in the next one. I think Dumby realises that Vernon might want to throw Harry out now that hes got another house to go to which is why Dumby asks the Dursleys to allow Harry to stay for just one year. The thing about Dumby is this...even though the Dursleys have neglected Hary Dumby seems to not let his anger control him or make the Durselys suffer. I think that Dumby and Petunia have had dealings in the past..that they met...its just a feeling i mean Shan mentions "oddly flushed" but Dumby greets her like he never seen her before...so maybe they met without Vernons consent??
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Post by Shan on Aug 21, 2005 3:03:52 GMT
Chapter 3I still wonder if there was some kind of clue in those that I missed. Like you I would have liked to have read the rest of the articles not just snippets. Yeah, this visit with the Dursley's was calmer than most. Mabe it was because of Sirius' death Rowling decided to make it more peaceful. Harry could have Sirius on his mind and stayed in his room most of the time. Thus no trouble. I loved that part too. It had to have been a hilarious sight with the glasses hitting them on the head. And Dumbledore was so funny being so polite and keeping his cool no matter what they said. That was a great scene. Refresh my memory, Tragic. In what book was the bike mentioned. I can't place it right now. Kreacher means trouble no matter where he is. ;D And I agree. I think we will definitely see more of Kreacher. Good point. I didn't really think about that when I read it. Dumbledore could have realized that Vernon would throw him out since he now had some place to go and was as old as he is. I am thinking that Petunia and Dumbledore have had dealings before. I just can't figure what it could have been. I also tend to feel, like you, that it was probably without Vernon knowing about it. I wonder if I missed something in another book that might have hinted at this. I'll check to see if there is anything else that I want to mention and if not then we can move on to chapter 4 if you're ready. Shan
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Post by Shan on Aug 21, 2005 3:32:52 GMT
Tragic, you mention wondering about Sirius' motorbite. I think it will be explained in book 7. I found this under fact at MuggleNet. "We will find out what happened to Sirius's motorbike." These facts concerned books 6 and 7 and since we heard nothing about it in 6, looks like we will in 7. Shan
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Post by tragic on Aug 26, 2005 0:00:46 GMT
Ok then moving on to the next chapter Chapter 4There are only 4 points i wish to make.. Its always fun to read about new things in the wizard world...so i was really happy to see Harry "apparenting" ....as usual Harry seems to have some minor side effects. HEHEHE Now when we reach horaces house we find that he has turned into a chair.....is that normal for a wizard? Can anyone do that or does horace seem to have better abilities? It seems that way becuase Dumby mentions that Horace might be able to aid Voldy. This chapter focuses on why Dumby is considered the most powerful wizard.....technically he isnt becuase Dumby himself admits that Voldy is aware of more spells then he is.....no Dumbys strength lies in his ability to read people..not legimancy but their likes and dislikes....and this proved correct when Dumby very carefully manipulated proceedings at Horaces.....firstly by buying his time and then leaving Harry alone with Horace. Its interesting that Horace never mentions Snape as one of his star pupils...like he mentions Lily....
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Post by Shan on Aug 31, 2005 23:40:21 GMT
Tragic I've been hunting down something concerning a questions Peter asked in the other thread. I have finally found it, so let me look over chapter 4 again and I will post my thoughts and comment on yours. Sorry it has taken me so long. Shan
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Post by tragic on Sept 1, 2005 13:55:40 GMT
Dont worry about it Hey Peter your welcome to share your views as well..chapter by chapter.
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Post by Shan on Sept 3, 2005 23:40:35 GMT
OK, here are a few of the things that came to my mind as I read chapter 4. I'm in the process of rereading it, so there will probably be other things when I'm finished. Some good observations and thoughts on your part. I am going to hit on a few different things though that stood out in this chapter to me. Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 4, 2005 0:02:42 GMT
Chapter 4Harry Apparating for the first time was cool. I kinda liked Rowlings description of what it felt like and Harry's reaction to it. How long ago did Dumbledore receive the injury to his hand? It must not have been to long before, because when he used it unthinkingly to point he said "Ouch." And when Harry asked him about it "He said it was a thrilling tale, and he wanted to do it justice." Makes me wonder just how he might have received the injury? Could this be the injury Snape was talking about in chapter 2? My guess is it is. After looking around the wrecked room, Dumbledore seemed to know that the overstuffed chair was Slughorn. I wonder if Slughorn had pulled this trick before and Dumbledore knew about it. Also it seemed he knew right where to punch it with his wand (in the seat of it which was in Slughorn's stomach. Of course no DarK Mark meant the Death Eaters were not involved. I wonder if the use of Dragon blood on the walls had any meaning? No clues as to whether it did or didn't, but I just wonder. More to come. Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 4, 2005 0:55:35 GMT
Chapter 4 continued Now here is a biggie to me. During the conversation with Slughorn, it seems that he made sure Slughorn saw his injured hand because he deliberately shook back the sleeve of his robe to reveal it. Why would he want to make sure Slughorn saw it? At this time also Harry noticed a ring on his uninjured hand that he had never seen Dumbledore wear before. Where did Dumbledore get the ring? Why is he wearing it? Here is what Rowling said about the ring. "It was large, rather clumsily made of what looked like gold, and was set with a heavy black stone that had cracked down the middle. Slughorn's eyes lingered for a moment on the ring too, and Harry saw a tiny frown momentarily crease his wide forehead." Had Slughorn seen this ring before? Did he know something about it? If it has no meaning at all to him then why did he frown when he saw it? Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 4, 2005 3:00:50 GMT
Chapter 4 continued And for the obivious. Dumbledore took Harry with him for bait. He knew that if he couldn't convince Slughorn to come back as a teacher to Hogwarts that their was no way Slughorn would turn down the chance to try and become buddies with Harry. Slughorn loved being important by knowing well known people. In this chapter you also get the mention again of Harry his mother's eyes. There has got to be something to this. Harry having his mother's green eyes has been mentioned to many times in the books for green not to come into play somehow. So Dumbledore will be teaching Harry a little of this and a little of that this year. No more lessons with Snape. And Dumbledore wants Harry to keep his Invisibility Cloak with him at all times this year. He must feel that it could come in very handy at times for Harry or he wouldn't ask him to keep it with him. We are also told that there are only two people who know the full contents of the prophecy and that is Harry and Dumbledore. Dumbledore does suggest that Harry tell Ron and Hermione. Shan
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Post by Shan on Sept 12, 2005 2:40:03 GMT
Tragic, I should be getting to chapter 5 either tomorrow or Tuesday one. Sorry, I have been lagging so about posting. I've just been trying to catch up on everything and it has taken longer than what I thought it would. Shan
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Post by tragic on Sept 18, 2005 13:37:32 GMT
Chapter 5
The thing is that Mrs Weasley seems to be very careless..either that or Dumbledore radiates some sort of aura.....why??
Simply becuase she nevers asks him for a password but she does her husband.....now this is interesting....we see Tonks who apparently has her own troubles on her mind.
I dont know what to make of Bill/Fluer...i think that this has been a minor storyline for a while...maybe this will develop into somtehing more different....im not too sure why Mrs Weasly would rather not they marry..its not clear from this chapter though it may crop up again later on.
The exam results were here to be expected...im not surprised that Harry was better in DADA althougth its true he now cant be an Auror...
I think thats it.....
Any comments?
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Post by Shan on Sept 19, 2005 4:47:24 GMT
Chapter 5Oops. I completely forgot about what I promised I would do last week. I'm sorry. Thanks Tragic, for picking things up and moving us on. This chapter really doesn't have alot that seemed to stand out to me. As you mentioned, it was a little unusual that Mrs. Weasley would open the door to Dumbledore without any questions. Anyone could have been posing as him. But then the only questions she was going to ask her husband was "Arthur, is that you?". After he insisted she asked the pass question. I was a little surprised to see Tonks there, and I wondered what was wrong with her. I even wondered if part of the reason she was upset was because of Bill and Fleur's engagement. Seems like the Weasley's weren't to thrilled over Bill's choice for a bride. One big thing to me though was Harry telling Ron and Hermione that he had heard the entire prophecy from Dumbledore and what it had been. It was also good to see that they were with him. It's always a good feeling to know that your friends will stand beside you. And then the O.W.L's. Harry came out just about like I would have expected. He did get higher in Potions than what I would have thought simply because of Snape. And like you said the DADA Outstanding was as expected. What I thought was so funny was Hermione's reaction to hers. She gets 10 Outstanding and 1 Exceeds Expectations in DADA and she is disappointed. That is Hermione though. I also felt a little sad for Harry since he wouldn't be able to become and Auror. Guess that is it for me at least for now anyway. ;D Shan
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Post by tragic on Sept 28, 2005 14:16:57 GMT
Sorry for the delay..Shan has quite nicely tied up all of chapter 5. On we go Chapter 6Ok how important is wand making in the magic world...does it guarentee a better chance of spell sucess? If that were not so the other side might not have tried to take him...or has he dissappeared? Maybe he left to protect himself? Another question...is that ice creeam seller the descendant of the headmaster fortescue??? I was a bit dissappointed that Harrys party was not disccussed in detail..maybe Rowling wants Harry to have a miserable time. Now i cant discuss this chapter without mentioning the joke shop...i mean that catchphrase was wonderful...althougth i dont usually like toliet humor i have to say this was done brilliantly...its no wonder when Rowling read some of chapter 6 live before the book was about to be sold...she didnt mention that bit..... I do say that im surprised that George and Fred can do magic defensive stuff which the minstery cant do...i find that odd. The confronatition between Draco and Harry reminds me of how english people behave.....in a difficult situation they tend to ignore everything and carry on. Draco is up to something.....but this time its more serious....Hermy didnt actually use her acting skills to the best of her ability there....i wonder if the guy will tell Draco...and why isnt that alley illegal.......... ? I think ive covered it..well most of the chapter...over to you Shan
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Post by Shan on Oct 14, 2005 15:34:47 GMT
Chapter 6As promised Tragic. Maybe this was all mentioned in previous books, but I did not remember reading very much about Regulus black. So when Lupin mentioned that Regulus had left the Death Eaters and had been killed a few days later, I was a little surprised. With all the dementor attacks and the killings by the Death Eater, and people disappearing, I think everyone was beginning to get a little concerned in this chapter. Can't say I much blame them either. Tragic, you mentioned wands and how important they are. I had never really thought that much about it before, but it seems like the better the wand the better chance for spell success. And I would say since Ollivander was the best, the Death Eaters would want him making wands for only them, so poof Ollivander disappears. But although like you said, he could have left to protect himself. *curious* I was really glad to see that Harry had been made Captain of the Quidditch Team. I kinda felt sorry for him when Hermione and Ron were made prefects and he wasn't. I see this as an accomplishment for Harry and something that could be a boost to his morale. The trip to Diagon Alley was quite interesting. Of course they just had to run into Hagrid. I love this guy his character is so well done. It would have seemed a little odd with him not appearing in Diagon Alley. Remember it was Hagrid that first introduced Harry to the place. More to come on 6. Shan
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Post by Shan on Oct 14, 2005 17:28:18 GMT
Chapter 6 ( continued) Diagon Alley, I guess it wouldn't be natural if Harry and the gang didn't have a run in with Draco. This time instead of Lucius it is Narcissa who is with Draco. Doesn't seem to bother Harry though. I think he handled her quite well. I loved the trip to the joke shop. Fred and George are always fun to read about and this time was no exception. It is always interesting to find out what they will come up with next. Seems like they are doing great business too. Yeah, Draco is definitely up to something, but what? Why is he visiting Borgin and Burkes? Seems like her wants information about how to fix something, but what? And what does he want kept safe that he can't take with him? Well, we sure can't depend on Hermoine to help us out. Her acting was horrible. I think Borgin knew from the start what she was up to. And who is Fenrir Greyback? Has he been mentioned in a previous book? I don't remember reading anything about him before. But he is going to be keeping an eye on Borgin. Guess that is about it. Shan
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Post by Shan on Nov 2, 2005 5:32:28 GMT
Tragic, now that we are back I am looking forward to picking up out chapter thread. I didn't have time to post on chapter 8 tonight, but I will get something posted tomorrow night for sure. The Slug Club, right? I have really missed doing this with you. Shan
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