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Post by Shan on Nov 3, 2005 0:10:32 GMT
Chapter 8 (at last) This one had some interesting things in it to me, some things to think about. I found it interesting that Harry, after seeing Malfoy in Borgin's shop suspected him of having taken his father's place as a Death Eater and to be as positive as he was about it no matter what Ron and Hermione thought. I was a little disappointed that Mr. Weasley didn't taken him more seriously when he told him his thoughts though. I would have thought it coming from Harry that he would have had more interest. Some thoughts that went through my head during this part: Ron and Hermione off to their prefect duties on the train, made me wonder if being prefects would pull them away from Harry this year. Asking Ginny about sharing a compartment and feeling let down when she tells him she is going to meet Dean, could this mean Harry is starting to like Ginny? Meets up with Luna and Neville and hangs out on the train with them. Does this mean Harry will form a closer bond with them this year? As for Slughorn's little get together, it really didn't surprise me that he would start trying to play up to the students that could have influence for him. He loved claiming important people as friends and letting everybody know it. Well, when Harry came up with the idea of using the invisibility cloak and following Zabini back to where Malfoy was, I thought it was a pretty dumb idea and that he could get in trouble. Guess right, huh? It got him into big trouble. So Malfoy spots Harry even with his invisibility cloak. Seems like Harry wasn't as careful as he thought he had been. Was it worth it? Did he really learn anything? Seems like Malfoy suspected he was in the compartment almost from the first and didn't say anything that he wouldn't want Harry to hear. Now Harry is alone in the compartment covered in his invisibility cloak and how is he going to get out of this mess. OK, that is a start. I'll probably think of some more stuff a little later and I will add that when I do. My brain still isn't back into the thinking mode. ;D Your thoughts, Tragic. Shan
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Post by peterh on Nov 3, 2005 21:14:15 GMT
Well, I was rereading the book yesterday and came across something in chapter two.
When Snape and Narcisissa makes the Unbreakable wow and gets to the part where snape accepts Draco's part it says (at least in the English version)
"And, should it prove necessary....if it seems Draco will fail...Whispered Narcisissa (Snapes hand twitched within her, bu he did not draw away)..will you carry yt the deed that the Dark Lord has orderede draco to perform"
What happens here? On the surface Snape might be uncomfortable with the wow, but what if the twitching of his hand is some way of negating the wow? A more cleverer way of crossing your fingers?
This would go well with the theory that Snape does not kill Dumbledore and uses a non verbal spell on him instead.
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Post by Shan on Nov 4, 2005 4:48:42 GMT
A very interesting concept Peter. When I first read that part, I just assumed his hand twitched because he was somewhat nervous. Think about it now though, it could have been something else. We know Snape was smart, very smart so I think it is possible that he could have come up with a way to keep the vow from being legit. Good thought, and one that I would probably never have picked up on. I know I may be one of the few, but I still hold with the idea that there is a possibility Dumbledore is not dead that Snape didn't really kill him. Makes me wish Book 7 came out tomorrow. Shan
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Post by tragic on Nov 5, 2005 16:57:33 GMT
Chapter 8 Nice views Shan..a bit similar to mine I like Harrys way of thinking..chapter 2 does seem to point out that Draco has to do something to lease the Dark Lord...but whether he is a Death Eater is another matter. I also thought that Mr Weasley should have taken Harry more seriously. After all he has saved their necks before...but then again as My Weasely points out he has grown up with Fred and George...maybe they had both told lies before and their curious nature has led Mr Weasly to be suspicous. I liked the way Harry stuck up for Luna and Neville BUT does Neville know about the cloak? It would appear so as Harry says" lets go under the cloak" Slughorn is too much of a opportunist/snob...i dont particlarly like him but then again i suppose we need such characters. What interesting is Zabini seems to annoy Malfoy quite alot indirectly. But then Malfoy lets slip(becuase he knew Harry was there or becuase he wanted to shut Zabini up?) that he had an important task to do. So far( as usual) Malfoy has the upper hand...poor old Harry..what is he going to do? Since we are on Harry Potter..the actor(Dan Radcliffe) did an interview yesterday on tv and hes really a nice energitic person. I spent the whole time laughing.
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Post by tragic on Nov 12, 2005 15:58:25 GMT
Chapter 9 Well this seems funny...i picture an old movie when i read that Tonks and Harry were jumping out of the train at the last moment!!! Dumby seems to have added a few more protection spells then usual. This does mean that he takes Voldermort very seriously. Snape doesnt seem to be a fan of Tonks...or maybe he was trying to goad Harry about the remark of the Patronus. I never knew you could send messages by Patronuses!! If you needed any proof that Snape is a good Legimens...you dont now!!! He sensed that Harry would want to go unseen into the room and prevented it. I have to admit i wasnt surprised at Dumbys announcment about the potions teacher being Slughorn..i half expected it and to see Harry being annoyed for a second time is typical of Rowling pouring so much bad luck on him on one go. Althougth i was a bit surprised at Harry not telling his friends what had happend...maybe he does trust them that much..i.e Neville etc Althougth Dumby doesnt seem to want to hide his injured hand for some reason..i dont understand that? I am a bit surprised that Ron didnt feel that Malfoy was up to something. All in all not a bad chapter
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Post by Shan on Nov 15, 2005 4:36:04 GMT
Chapter 9 My thoughts. I love your picture of Tonks and Harry jumping out of the train, Tragic. I had never thought about that, but it does kinda fit. A good one. Yes, Dumbledore does seem to have added quite a few more protections spells. In fact I think he has beefed up security at Hogwarts considerable. As for the reason, I think he seriously believes that Voldemort will again try to kill Harry or send someone to do it. What I wonder is whether Dumbledore has any suspicion at this point that Voldemort might go after him and hurt a bunch of other students in the attempt. This could be the reason for the added security too. I had no idea that a Patronus could carry a message either. If this was talked about in another book I either missed it or forgot it one. Snape just won't give Harry and inch. It seems like every time he gets the chance he put him down. Did he really hate Harry's father that much? Or is he doing it to try to make Harry stronger? Does he do it to make Harry not like him on purpose? I wonder. I also wondered when Dumbledore made his opening term speech if he made sure the students saw what had happened to his hand on purpose. We know that he keeps saying that it isn't important, but shouldn't it bother him. If something like that happened, should he be worried about what might happen to him the next time because I think this is one of the cases where his hand can't be cured. I was surprised Slughorn was there to take over as Potions teacher, because I had never really thought about Snape getting the Defense Against the Dark Arts position. Why would Dumbledore give this position to him? He never had before. What did he know? What did Snape know? It seems as if something was cooking between them for Snape to get this positon. And of course it shocked everyone. Yeah, I was a little surprised that Ron didn't really suspect Malfoy. If any other person suspected him, I would have thought it would be Ron. So Hagrid has been working with Gawp. Who knows, he may make a civilized person out of him yet. Sounds good to me. I can see Hagrid in for a big let down when he finds out that Harry, Ron and Hermione are not going to be taking his class this year. Like you said not a bad chapter. Kinda interesting if you ask me. Any other thoughts on 9, Tragic? Shan
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Post by peterh on Nov 17, 2005 0:37:17 GMT
Sorry for barging in and turning focus to another chapter but something just hit me.I don't think we've have discussed this. Remember that we talked about Dumbledore either sacrifised himself or at least planning his "death"? I'm beginning to think that's what's happening here.
From the end of the lightning struck tower.
" Serverus gazed for a moment at Dumbledore and there was revulsion and hatred etched in the harsh lines of his face
Serverus....please
Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore.
Avada Kedavra"
We've thought all along that Dubledore pleaded Snape to go on with his misson to aid Harry - but that's not necessary if Snape's made the unbrekable wow to save Harry, which I'm certain he has. Instead I think that Dumbledore pleads Snape to finish him off according to the plan. Think about it - Serverus Snape, former death eater who've become Dumbledores right hand man. There's always been suspicion even within the teachers staff. Now after all these years, Snape has finally proven his worth to the order, taking on a dangerous mission, providing Dumbledore with potions and finally being promoted to the job as DADA teacher. In that instant he "killed" Dumbledore he's become the most hated man in the conventional wizard community and lost the redemption he's fought so hard for. All because he chose to follow orders from the one man who rescued him - if I were him I'd have "revulsion and hatred" etched in my face too, if I were ordered to once again become the pariah.
Want more? Read this from "Flight of the Prince"
"DON'T...screamed Snape, and his face was suddenly demented, inhman, as he though he was in as much pain as the yelping, howling dog stuck in the burning house behind them, - CALL ME A COWARD"
Snape's always been a proud and arrogant man, who's never feels he's been given his worth - we've witnessed that n several occasions. Somehow his pride and arrogance might be what has helped him through all those times when the staff has mistrusted him or never truly accepted him as one of their own. After voldemort came back he's taken on the possible most dangerous job of any wizard - being a spy against the most dangerous wizard of all time - aware that only him and Dumbledore can ever know. Again, in that instant all is gone and he'll be forever branded a coward and a traitor. That's gotta hurt for someone as proud as Snape.
And, hey, we never know what DID happen in the castle. Snape might've done a stupefy on Flitwick but his prime directive that night was not to help the Death Eaters. It was to keep draco safe as per the unbreakable wow. In order to do that he had to stop flitwick from following him and even the teachers says he was "here and there" - probably following Draco around and not helping either side in the fight - remember Snape swore on his life to keep Draco alive.
A bit from "lightning Struck Tower"
"at that precise moment the door to the rampart burst open once more and there stood Snape, his wand clutched in his hand as his black eyes swept the scene from Dumbledore slumped against the wall, to the four Death Eaters, including the enraged werewolf, and malfoy"
Remember, Snape is a highly intelligent man - he immediatly becomes aware of the situation and realises what he has to do - much to his own regret. I think rowling shows us the point of no return for Serverus Snape here - that one scene where he knows there's no way back (unless he survives book 7 - though I think hell sacrifise his life for Harry). All is, personally, lost as he sacrifises himself for the just cause.
In closing, if I'm right, cannot help but feeling a little pity for Serverus Snape. He's the outcast that, deservedly, had to pay his debt to society. He's arrogant, rude and bitter - and Harry pays for it - in short a damn prick who needs an arsekicking! But he's on the side of good, and has rescued Harry once (who's to say "the old debt" that was explained in book one wasn't just Snape living up to his Unbreakable wow?). I'm also fairly certain he does not enjoy the company of the other Death eaters or likes his job - but he get's it done. Snape is far too valuable as both a spy but perhaps also a guidance for harry - I wouldn't be the least surprised if Dumby hasn't gotten some idea of how this is going to end - for the Order to lose so maybe Snape's more of a hero than we thought.
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Post by tragic on Nov 17, 2005 16:55:41 GMT
I couldnt have said it better myself.
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Post by peterh on Nov 19, 2005 15:44:18 GMT
So this means you agree?
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Post by tragic on Nov 23, 2005 16:15:07 GMT
Oh yes Shan: I have nothing else to add chapter 9I find it funny that they have a few free periods but then again im expecting the work to have doubled. Neviles conversation with McGonagall is funny..Neville still seems to be under his grandmothers control althougth McGon thinks that Neville lacks just confidence. Althougth she mentions that Nevilles gran failed the subject...so is McGon really old?? Or were they classmates? I half expected things to work out so Harry could become and Auror. I was partly expecting Ron and him not to be in the same classes althougth it appears that Rowling doesnt want Harry to be TOO alone. I do admire Harry's cheek for having a go at Snape. Slughorn's prize seemed to have added interest to the whole lesson and he actually seems a fair teacher but his insitance to be among the elite doesnt bode well in my book. Harry seems to have got lucky wth his book...i mean the person who wrote in it was pretty good...althougth i cant help feeling a bit sorry for Hermione and im not surprised that she was angry. The question is "who is this half blood prince"
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Post by Shan on Dec 1, 2005 0:18:37 GMT
Sorry for barging in and turning focus to another chapter but something just hit me.I don't think we've have discussed this. No need to be sorry, Peter. Even though Tragic and I are going through the book chapter by chapter, it doesn't mean that the thread has to stick to this order. We are willing to talk about any chapter that anyone wants to talk about at or has something to say about at any time. Thanks for jumping in. I agree with this completely. I have always thought that Dumbledore was pleading for Snape to kill him or at least pretend to kill him. I think Dumbledore knew that Malfoy would not be able to carry out Voldemort's orders and so he made plans with Snape to step in and kill him in Malfoy's place or at least pretend to kill him. ( I am still not sure that I believe Dumbledore is dead) Right. I think Snape was feeling absolutely horrible having to carry this plan out. I see him having more revulsion and hatred for himself at ever agreeing to do it than feeling hatred and revulsion for Dumblefore as the line in the book could easily indicate. I see this quote showing all the pain Snape was in. I see him saying "Don't call me a coward...... and then silently thinking "because you don't know the whole story and why I did it." I see a secret there that only Snape and Dumbledore knew. Sounds good to me. I disagree on one thing though. I think there is someone else that knows about Dumbledore and Snape and the plan, someone else in the Order. Who I do not know, but I think there will be someone else in the Order that will play a big part in book 7 where Snape, Dumbledore and the plan are concerned. And yes, I think Snape at this point is hurting and hurting bad and is being torn to pieces inside because of what people are now thinking about him. I agree. He would have to find some way to keep Malfoy safe during all of this because of the vow he made with Narcissa. But I see him keeping Malfoy safe without really hurting anyone else. Very good thoughts. I agree with you. I think Snape summed up the situation quickly and knew that he had to do something or one of the other Death Eaters might step in and kill Dumbledore. This is one reason that it still haunts me as to whether Dumbledore is really dead or not. If Dumbledore was really to die, then why wouldn't he just goad one of the Death Eaters into killing him when Malfoy couldn't do it. There had to be a reason that Snape had to be the one. There is just something about this part that doesn't make complete sense to me. There are so many holes in it. Like I said before I think there is someone else in the Order that knows about Snape and what he and Dumbledore cooked up. I believe Rowling will reveal all of this in book 7 and I think Snape will end up being the one to help Harry. Whether he will have to sacrifice his life to save Harry or not, I am still not sure where I stand on that. Very, very good thoughts Peter. Are these the feeling you had after rereading the book? If you have other thoughts or ideas, how about sharing them with us. I am slowing working my way back through the book as Tragic and I talk about each chapter. Shan
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Post by peterh on Dec 1, 2005 19:44:22 GMT
Yeah, Shan, they're pretty much my thoughts about Snape at this point. I've been rereading the book for clues, especially the end. I'm in agreement that Dumbledore isn't dead - or at least WILL come back in book 7.
I discussed the issue with a friend and she drew a conclusion that Dumbledore himself might have a Horcrux somewhere. At first it seems impossible but what do we really know about his past. Very very little it seems - who's to say he's not only teaching Harry about Horcruxes to kill Voldemort but maybe as a way to revive Dumbledore himself? I'm not saying Dumbledore's a cold blooded killer but he's the second? most powerful wizard in the world and to achieve that status it's not unthinkable he has some skeletons in his closet. He always says there's worse than death but never reveals just HOW he knows. Anyway, where would a potential Horcrux be placed - Gryffindors sword is a likely suspect but how about Fawkes - the healing phoenix?
Another possibility we've overlooked is the Philosphers stone (sorceress stone for the US people) and the elixirs Nicolas Flames made. Dumbledore told Harry that the stone is destroyed - but we never saw any evidence.
Lastly, you might be right that another member if the order might know the truth about Dumbledore but I'm still not sure, though I've cooked up a theory (you guess that, right ;D) Snape's the link between Voldy and Dumby - both see him as their most loyal follower, though for different reasons. They trust him completely and Snape wouldn' tell anyone from the order about Dumbledores plan. That leaves Dumbledore to find his confidant. I'm sure it's not one of the known members - the risk that the world might become aware that Dumbledore is not dead is too big. Then who? How about R.A.B - Reginald Albus Black. We know he's supposedly killed a coulpe of days after being a Death Eater - and that's it, iirc we've never seen evidence, even in Grimauld Place. What if the journey to the cave was a ruse - to teach Harry the basics of finding Horcruxes. What if Dumbledore deliberatly weakened himself to make Harry search for R.A.B - he never could reveal to harry that RAB lived. It's a far fetched theory - but Dumbledore's desprate for his ruse to work...
and...that's it.. am I totally in the blind here? ;D
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Post by Shan on Dec 2, 2005 4:49:06 GMT
Chapter 9 The Half-Blood Prince Tragic, now that I am feeling better, maybe I can come up with my thoughts on Chapter 9. Thanks for being so patient with me. I think we've messed up on our chapter numbers somewhere though. This is Chapter 9 for sure though. The assigning of NEWT classes surprised me just a little. Of course I knew that Hermione would be able to continue in all of hers if she wanted to. I was glad to see McGonagall handle things the way she did with Neville. I think Neville liked Charms more than he did Transfiguration and it was something that he was good at. I loved it when McGonagall told him that his grandmother had failed Charms. I think this made Neville feel better. And I bet McGonagall could handle Neville's grandmother. She just seems like she coudl. I would guess that Slughorn knew that Harry did not meet the requirements to continue in Potions and lowered the stantard so that he could qualify. I think Slughorn really wanted Harry in his class. What surprised me was that Ron and Harry ended up with the same schedule and 3 free periods. Man, how did they work that. I never had 3 free periods when I was in school. I liked Katie Bell's attitude about the Quidditch Team. She wanted to see the best possible team and was willing to try out to try to keep her position. Good for her. And Snape is at it again except this time he is picking on Harry in DADA instead of Potions. I thought it was great when Harry shielded his jinx so strongly even though it was nonverbal. And it seems that Harry has had just about enough of Snape's attitude and doesn't aim to back down when he picks on him. I wonder why the Half-Blood Prince's old potions book was still around and in a corner cupboard. It looks like the Prince had made good use of his book and had left plenty of notes in it. Why didn't he hang on to it? If I had gone to all the trouble of writing all of that in a book, I sure would have kept it. Seems like Malfoy really wanted to make a good impression on Slughorn by bringing up his grandfather. Maybe he expected special treatment since Slughorn had known him. Kinda disappointed I think when Slughorn practically ignored it. Ooooooo, Hermione does not like being out done. She wanted to know how Harry had gotten his to turn that color, but yet she was so positive that she had to do it by the book that she wouldn't even try what he told her to do. Hermione, you better listen to Harry on this one. ;D Oh, and the book really is just a textbook with notes added in the margins by the Half-Blood Prince who seems to know how to make potions. An interesting chapter. Some fun to it and very enjoyable for me. Shan
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Post by Shan on Dec 2, 2005 5:16:44 GMT
Yeah, Shan, they're pretty much my thoughts about Snape at this point. I've been rereading the book for clues, especially the end. I'm in agreement that Dumbledore isn't dead - or at least WILL come back in book 7. Hooray, then maybe i"m not crazy thinking that after all. ;D Now this is something that I had never thought of. Very interesting idea, Dumbledore having some Horcruxes of his own. Now that you have brought it up, I can definitely see the possibility of Fawkes holding a Horcrux for Dumbledore. I go with Fawkes more than the Gryffindor sword. Although both could hold one. I don't see Harry being involved in bringing Dumbledore back though. I see this being done by a special member of the Order or maybe even by Snape. What do you think of the idea of maybe Snape holding a Horcrux for Dumbledore? We know there was some reason that Dumbledore trusted him completely. Yeah, and I can definitely see Dumbledore having a few skeletons in his closet. He is a pretty old wizard and who knows what he was like in his younger days. Possible, but I'm not ready to go along with this. Even though we never saw the evidence, I tend to believe that the Stone and the Elixirs are now gone. I think that we will find that the member of the Order who knows about Dumbledoe and Snape's secret will be someone that has been mentioned very little in the previous books or someone that has never been mentioned before. I hold to the first one more though. I think we have heard of them, but will be surprised to find out they knew about it. I can easily see the journey to the cave being a ruse, one to set Harry up for searching for the other Horcruxes and like you said for R.A.B (possibly Reginal Black). OK, I'm jumping off the deep, deep end here. What if there is a Horcrux somewhere for Sirius? Reginal has been in hiding and he knows about it? As you said Dumbledore would be desperate for his ruse to work and he would have done everything that he could to have made it undeniable and believable that he was truly dead. Totally blind, I don't think so. I think you have some very good points and they make alot of sense. If anyone has jumped off the deep end, I think it is me. I can come up with some really wild ones. Great going, Peter. Question: Have you been able to pull anything else about Reginald Black from any of the other books? Or come up with anyone else that R.A.B. could refer to? Shan [/quote]
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Post by tragic on Dec 3, 2005 15:33:34 GMT
Peter..you are welcome to join in any time..We are working through the book slowly..there is no rush to finish it....i still expect us to be here in the first quarter of next year!!
Unfortunately i am going to disagree with part of the theory about Dumby being alive.
1. JK did mention that someone would die at the end of book 6. Now we know that alot of people have died in book 6(in the wizard world or dissappeared) but only one notable death and thats Dumby(unless JK is lying??!!)
I think Snape told Dumby about his unbreakable vow with Narcissa and so it was agreed that Snape would kill Dumby.
When he and Harry returned to Hogwarts..Harry was told by Dumby to get Snape..not madam Pomfrey but Snape. The plan was maybe for all three of them to go down together and confront the DE's then have Snape" switch over to them" and Kill Dumby.
Or have Snape come up and just kill Dumby while Dumby "expects" him to heal him.
Dumby has realised that Harry is more powerful and while i dont think Harry doesnt need Dumby i think Dumby knows that so long as he is around Harry will not rise to the challange of facing Voldy.
Of course this leads us to the possibility of him faking his death..but again the first paragraph seems to suggst tha this isnt possible.
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Post by tragic on Dec 13, 2005 23:53:36 GMT
Chapter 10 This one is a pretty meaty chapter. How easy(or difficult) is it to make your own spells?? This is the question. I would have thought that only really powerful wizards could do that. Then again Fred and George had no trouble inventing stuff themselves and they werent so powerful wizards. Maybe its trial and error like the Weasleys tricks. Now this Trelawney..he could be talking about Harry when she is turning over the cards...but who is the questioner?? It cant be Dumby becuase Harry likes him..so Snape?? Or maybe Harry subconciously doesnt like Dumby any more...mabe hes still angry with him for withholding the truth. I wonder what Dumby means when he says his mistakes can be bigger..maybe hes referring again to not telling Harry of the Prophecy. The thing about Ogden is for all the wizarding world's efforts to conceal magic from mugles they dont seem to know what to wear!!! I find that a bit funny The thing about Morfin and the family is they could have blended easily with other wizards but the fathers pride seem to have effected him and he has to content himself with living in squalor. I think its an interesting tale but also a depressing one. Over to you Shan
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Post by hector on Dec 17, 2005 7:23:17 GMT
Sorry for barging in and turning focus to another chapter but something just hit me.I don't think we've have discussed this. No need to be sorry, Peter. Even though Tragic and I are going through the book chapter by chapter, it doesn't mean that the thread has to stick to this order. We are willing to talk about any chapter that anyone wants to talk about at or has something to say about at any time. Mind if I take you on that? I guess we agree on this then, too. There is no way Albus Dumbledore could have beg for his life. For others, maybe, but not for his. Besides, with en encounter between two of the three most accomplished Legilmens it's unlikely we heard the whole conversation. While I do believe he's dead, let's dwelve a bit more into the 'he's not dead' territory. (I know this a bit ahead of the chapters, but bear with me, I'm a new fan, aalso, sorry if I'm repeating something posting somewhere else, I haven't read all the posts) - The description of the Avada Kedavra was slightly strange. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight. that sound unlike any other time the curse has been used before. Snape doesn't need to yell the spell to use, for such an accomplished wizard, could it be possible that the spell he really used was an altogheter different one. Also, there needs to be real hate and evil to perform the evil curses, if Snape was a good guy --and I do believe he is-- would he be able to have such hate against the man who gave him his life? -- Fawkes keep crying for a long time after Dumbledore died. Just how powerful those tears can be? hmmm. -- So, if he didn't died. Then why Snape didnt died by breaking the Unbreakable Vow? I'm not sure, but do we know for absolute certainity that the mission entrusted to Draco was to kill Dumbledore? Draco's also was ordered to bring the Death Eaters to Hogwarths, and by that he succeded. That sort of happen when you're hurting the man you owe the most: Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing, Harry forced the goblet back toward Dumbledore's mouth and tipped itI think I disagree with that. Snape's role as a spy was most precious, Dumbledore would give as much as his life to protect it, and it was incredibly dangerous to let anyone who were not an expert in Occlumency in on that. And I don't think there were any other, as Dumbledore's only two choices for teaching Harry that particular subject was him and Snape, and he knew he was risking it because of their mutual hatred. I don't think he cares much at all what other people think. What he has done himself is hurting him enough. I think that's one easy to answer. It had to be Snape because that would be the purpose of his death: to let Voldemort think, beyond any shadow of doubt, that he could trust Snape. He might have planned his death as far back as the beggining of the course, he had to knew Snape only had one year left at Hogwarths.. Actually, he has protected (or tought he protected, as in the case of Sirius) Harry, one way or another, in every book in the series, except five. Even after killing Dumbledore and his camoflauged 'teaching lesson' with Harry, he protected him from the other Death Eaters. They needn't need reminding that Harry was to be left for Voldemort, they were just trying to hurt him, and Snape dismissed them.
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Post by tragic on Dec 18, 2005 15:07:00 GMT
Hector: Yes i think im going to agree with you.
I am not sure about Dumbledore being the only one knowing about Snape. He might be then again he might not.
If not it will make for a good chapter in the next book. Looking back on chapter 5...Snape was angry that Harry didnt master Occulmency probably becuase if Voldy could acess Harrys mind he would be able to tell that Snape had more loyalities to Dumby then Voldy.
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Post by hector on Dec 19, 2005 7:08:13 GMT
Looking back on chapter 5...Snape was angry that Harry didnt master Occulmency probably becuase if Voldy could acess Harrys mind he would be able to tell that Snape had more loyalities to Dumby then Voldy. Interesting, but what would Voldemort look into Harry but what everyone else think, that he's Voldemort's spy and that he thought Dumbledore was naive trusting him. What I'd like to know is what exactly is what made Dumbledore trust Snape beyond any shadow of doubt, as much as Dumbledore being the closest he ever was to being upset when Harry questioned Snape's loyalties the second time. I doubt it was merely the sense of regret for inadvertedly causing the Potter's death and Harry almost being killed.
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Post by tragic on Dec 19, 2005 16:39:55 GMT
Voldy could see maybe that Dumbledore trusts Snape..Dumby has told Harry that enough times by now. It may cause Voldy to trust Snape less.
Could have been an unbreakable vow but thats the obvious answer...maybe its something else..though Snape is a highly accomplised Occulemens...or maybe something else.
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