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Post by tragic on Dec 25, 2005 16:25:32 GMT
You know i just have a theory i dont think is mentioned anywahere else.I am going to check the Harry Potter forums to see if anyone else has discovered what i have..i doubt it.
I can say im very pleased with myself actually.
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Post by Shan on Jan 6, 2006 3:23:58 GMT
You know i just have a theory i dont think is mentioned anywahere else.I am going to check the Harry Potter forums to see if anyone else has discovered what i have..i doubt it. I can say im very pleased with myself actually. Hey, no keeping secrets Tragic. ;D If you've got a theory, I wanna know so tell. ;D Now you are making me very, very curious. What did you find out on the HP forums? Shan
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Post by Shan on Jan 6, 2006 3:43:32 GMT
Hi Hector. We're always glad to have one more join us. I don't think Snape is the reason that Dumbledore wanted Harry to learn Occulmency. I think he wanted him to learn it more for his (Harry's) own protection, so Voldemort would not be able to know what Harry knew and would learn in the future. Also why does Dumbledore trust Snape beyond a shadow of a doubt? Rowling has not told this specifically in any book. Here is what I think though. I think that the reason Dumbledore trusts Snape so much is because he knows how much Snape wants to protect Harry because Harry's father once saved his (Snape's) life. For this reason also, I do not think that Snape hated Harry. I think some of it was pretense just to help protect Harry and keep Voldemort thinking that he (Snape ) was on his side. Shan
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Post by Shan on Jan 6, 2006 3:49:55 GMT
Chapter 10 : The House of GauntThere are 2 big questions in this chapter that are never answered and leave me still wondering. Harry asks again how Dumbledore injured his hand? He is told again that the time is not right, so he is given no answer. How did Dumbledore come into possession of the ring that Marvolo Gaunt showed Bob Odgen? Again Harry is not given an answer to this question when he asks Dumbledore. All we are told is that he got it shortly before he went to get Harry from his aunt and uncle's and around the time he injured his hand. Two very puzzling questions and ones that I would very much have liked to have answers to. Shan
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Post by tragic on Jan 12, 2006 15:59:48 GMT
Shan your right we dont know and thats why its soo infuriating...i would expect Dumbledore to be involved in some gigantic battle!!! My theory so far hasnt been noticed on the boards as yet but no-one has posted such a theory before. Its not that big a deal but if im right it may be important to other more pressing matters as to why Dumbledore trusts Snape. Or why Snape is still on the side of good. Ohhh Shan..now i am going to be a naughty boy and not say anything yet Im still hoping on some feedback on my theory
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Post by Shan on Jan 14, 2006 19:48:22 GMT
Trrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrragic I can't believe you are doing me like this. ;D Will I ever get to find out? If you don't eventually tell me, I will keep bugging you until you wish you had. ;D Hey, I've got some more stuff to say about chapter 10, and I hope to get that posted this weekend. Shan
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Post by tragic on Feb 7, 2006 16:00:55 GMT
Chapter 11 Ok the first part of this chapter is about the female mind. Watch how Ron seems jealous when Hermy compliments Harry and tres to draw attention away from Harry and on to him. If Hermy planned this then it worked a treat!! Like Harry i thought Lupin would write..i wonder where he is. It seems Lavender might make Hermy jealous..again the female mind is a mysterious thing... I must say choosing the recruits was funny " the fifth group were hufflepuffs" Lol Im glad Ron won althougth Hermy must have done something...im begining to hate Cormac actually. Now i cant say im surprised at Hagrid but he is the type who easily forgives unlike say Harry and Ron. Now Sughorn seems hell bent to have Harry in his party, but is always foiled...i wonder what he sees exactly in Harry though, i mean does he see Harry as a protector or simply becuase he's famous? Shan: My thoery doesnt seem to catch people by surprise....
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Post by tragic on Feb 27, 2006 13:44:13 GMT
I am pleased to anounce that one peson (lol) seems to think I have a very plausable theory.
Oh yes becuase im bored i thought you might have figured this one out.
Harry was born in 1980.
Hagrid is 67 years old.
Voldermort is 69/70 years old.
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Post by LaFille on Feb 27, 2006 18:46:45 GMT
Guys, you've finished the book, since last time?
Tragic, I want to know about the theory too!! ;D
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Post by Shan on Feb 28, 2006 1:28:47 GMT
Fille, we finished the book before we ever started this thread or we were almost finished with it when we started it. The main idea here was to take each chapter and talk about it to see if we came up with any new ideas as to what might be going on. Have you read the book? Tragic is waiting on me right now to post on chapter 11, so I'm the hold up sorry to say. Shan
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Post by Shan on Feb 28, 2006 1:30:40 GMT
I am pleased to anounce that one peson (lol) seems to think I have a very plausable theory. Oh yes becuase im bored i thought you might have figured this one out. Harry was born in 1980. Hagrid is 67 years old. Voldermort is 69/70 years old. Tragic I don't get it. Are you trying to tie them all together some way? I can't figure out what the year Harry was born and the ages of Hagrid and Voldermort have in common. What am I missing? Shan
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Post by LaFille on Feb 28, 2006 3:27:26 GMT
Oh yes, I read it last autumn. Twice. It was weird to me that you would have stopped at chapter 11, since in the HP books the most we get towards the end, the most we want to read... And the ends tend to make us forgive the things we could have found bad earlier in the reading (or was it imagination!? ;D )... I thought you were reading it at a common rate and comment & share your opinions at each step.
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Post by tragic on Feb 28, 2006 14:50:29 GMT
Shan: The ages and Harry being born in 1980... have nothing to with my theory.
La Fille: Well you are going to have to wait until chapter 21.... ;D
Also connected to this thoery is another one which im still trying to flesh out..but this is at the end of the book.
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Post by LaFille on Mar 1, 2006 23:59:25 GMT
Ahhh... it'd be easier for you to flesh it out, with our insight, if you shared it with us... ;D
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Post by Shan on Mar 2, 2006 3:22:07 GMT
I agree with Fille. ;D Why did you post the ages and birthdate then? Shan
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Post by tragic on Mar 2, 2006 15:26:06 GMT
I felt the ages would be interesting to point out. Ok Im going to post my theory in a few days time.
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Post by tragic on Mar 3, 2006 14:00:21 GMT
Ok i have tortured you enough ;D
In chapter 21 Tonks meets Harry and touches her sleeve. Tonks then asks if Harry has seen any members of the Order. Now what do we know about Tonks?
She's a metamorphus ..i.e she can change her shape.
So why cant she be pretending to be a DE?
She touched her sleeve where the Dark Mark is suposed to be!!!
Now if im right it means 1 of 2 things.
She is impersonating a high DE member...rather like when Barty Crouch Junoir impersonated Moody by capturing him and tying up.
Or she could pretend to be a new DE member.
Now this theory ties up with another theory im still thinking about.
Wait till tomorrow to find out
*evil laugh*
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Post by LaFille on Mar 3, 2006 20:45:01 GMT
Hehe! We won, he told us! ;D And there is more to come! ;D I didn't notice that with Tonks' sleeve; I'll check that part back. Guys, did you guess whose initials it is in the note Harry finds in the watch he and Dumbledore get from the cave, at the end? (Should I wait until you're at that part of the book to ask that? )
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Post by tragic on Mar 4, 2006 14:14:07 GMT
LaFille:
Ok like most people i think that R.A.B is sirius's brother regulus.
Now, if regulus(reg) took the real locket and replaced it with the fake horcrux and assuming the same spells were in place, Reg on his own could not have taken the horcrux becuase he would be able to drink the potion.
Look what happened to Dumbledore..
So he must have had an accomplice.
People have mentioned Kreacher.
I doubt it becuase in book 4 winky gets drunk on butterbeer, Dobby mentions its strong stuff for a houself.
So i dont think Kreacher would have been able to drink it.
So who could his accomplice be?
Im betting Snape.
I bet Voldy had Snape tail Reg...i bet Snape offered to help Reg and when he got the horcrux Snape had him killed.
This would place Snape high amongst Voldy's favourtie.
New this is where the theory has massive holes in it.
If Snape knows about the Horcrux, he will direct Harry to it by telling Tonks. Harry right now doesnt trust Snape so this will prove that Snape really was on the Orders side afterall.
This may be why Dumbledore trusts Snape...he has told him of the Horcrux.
Of course if Dumbledore knows that he was going to get a fake Horcrux...why go to the cave?
When he comes back Draco says we set a trap.
Dumby replies "yes and no"
Dumby knew they were coming, he knew that if he waited he would be able to fight them just like he did at the ministry...
I think he felt it time for Harry to get this job done by killing Voldy, he knew that so long as he was around Harry would not sek to fight Voldy.
Its a weak reason but nevertheless not a bad school of thought.
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Post by LaFille on Mar 5, 2006 5:59:42 GMT
Hey, thanks. I have to brew that in my mind a bit (and make a few jumps in the books). Two things to add though: My guess on this, why Dumby trusts Snape so much, was rather that Snape could have done a serment to him like he did with Drago's mother; he couldn't betray it or he'd die, it's a pretty good way to ensure one won't/will do something... What do you think? Here my guess is rather that Dumbledore died willingly (on purpose, if you want). A kind of strategic move, maybe a needed sacrifice process in order to offer some protection/help to Harry when he'd fight Voldy by doing this... He would have required Snape to kill him for that... Makes some sense?
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