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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 17:00:34 GMT
Chapter 11 thoughts and then I will add my thoughts to whatyou 2 have posted. It is interesting, but I don't think I can agree completely. Chapter 11*laugh* Hermione is funny here. She has a real desire to prove herself and it really bothers her that Harry is now out doing her in Potions because of the Half Blood Prince's book. Harry doesn't aim to give it up though and so when his new one comes, he swaps the covers. Good thinking on his part if you ask me. Might not be honest and irritated Hermione even more, but hey he's still got the book. I wonder if Hermione would have used the book if she had been the one who had it. I really feel for Hagrid here. He has lost his best friends in a way and yes I do think he looks on Harry, Ron and Hermione as friends. I'm not sure he understands why they didn't take his class, but at least they do manage to work things out and are on good terms again. Quidditch try outs were hillarious. Seems like everyone wants to be on Harry's team even members of the other houses. And I definitely see Harry now being someone all the girls would want to be around. OK, so Hermione put a spell on McLaggen. Good for her. Harry didn't need someone like him on the team anyway. He's to conceited and would not be good for team spirit. You might know that Ron would never know what Hermione did and that is just as well. It would not set well with him and make him feel very inadequate. Man, Slughorn has a big head. He really thinks he is important. Important enough to get Harry out of detention with Snape, I don't think so. Interesting how he tries to impress Harry and Hermione with who else will be there. In a way, I was glad Harry couldn't go. ;D I am a little surprised that Harry is having such a hard time figuring out what Draco is suppose to have hidden. I would have thought that when Hermione told him how they were all search, Harry would immediately have thought of something in the school them and start looking in that direction. Guess that is about it for me for this one. I didn't find anything that really stood out here. More or less just more story setup I think. Shan
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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 19:16:04 GMT
Tragic, I don't think I got what you did from Chapter 21. Here is the way I understood it. Harry did run into Tonks in the corridor and fell down. He asked her what she was doing in that corridor and she replied that she had come to see Dumbledore. Harry then tells her Dumbledore's office is around on the other side of the castle and Tonks says "I know. He's not there. Apparently he's gone away again." Harry then asks her if she knows where Dumbledore goes and Tonks says "No." Harry then asks Tonks what she wanted to see Dumbledore about and here the book reads: "Nothing in particular," said Tonks, picking , apparently unconsciously, at the sleeve of her robe. "I just thought he might know what's going on......." I find nothing that says that she was picking at a spot where the Death Mark might be. To me it could have been where the sleeve touches her wrist or the part that hangs loose, any part of the sleeve for that matter. How did you come up with that it was the part where the Death Eater mark would be if she had one? As for asking him if he has seen any member of the Order, the book reads that Tonks asks him "You haven't ad any letters from anyone in the Order recently?" "No one from the Order writes to me any more" said Harry, "not since Sirius....." Can't say you are wrong, but I'm just not getting the same thing from this passage that your are. And you were just being a stinker holding back your theory trying to make us really, really curious before telling. ;D Shan
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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 19:31:27 GMT
As you can see, asking now is fine. Tragic and I have no problem with anybody throwing anything in at any time. As for the note, yeah, Regulus Black was the only one I could think of that had those initials. The thing is how do we know the initials are for someone that has already been mentioned in one of the books. Could it be the initials of someone to be introduced in the next book? Shan
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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 19:44:55 GMT
I gotta disagree on this one Tragic. I just don't think Snape was the accomplice. For some reason I just don't get that feel. I think Snape and Dumbledore are tied together in a different way. There is something holding Dumbledore's trust in him but I'm not sure it has even been hinted at yet. I don't think it is the unbreakable vow though. I just don't see Dumbledore going that route. I think there is something more genuine to it. And I do think that Dumbledore knew what was going to happen when they got back. I think he knew he would die or supposedly die when they got back to the school. Died willingly, I'm not so sure Dumbledore is dead. Fille, have you read what I posted in the other Harry Potter thread about this theory. If you haven't and want to read it, I'll find it and post the link to the exact page. If he is dead though, I think Dumbledore knew it was coming and made Snape promise that he would do it no matter what. All of this discussion was in the other thread too that Peter started when he finished the book. Now don't you wish the next book was out so we could get answers to all of our questions? ;D Shan
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 5, 2006 20:44:08 GMT
I try to keep up with you guys on the reading here, but I have to look for the Dutch names almost everytime, I only know Dumbledore, Snape and the 3 kids, Hermoine, Ron and Harry. But anyhow, I found those theories very interesting though. Shan, you do have a point when you say that Snape had to kill Dumbledore, could it be to protect Harry from "Voldemort" (He who shall not be named) I'm sooo curious about the last book, I hope it comes out very soon!
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Post by LaFille on Mar 5, 2006 22:09:36 GMT
Yeah, I think too that Dumbledore might have asked Snape to actually "kill" him. Shan, I haven't read Peter's thread about Harry Potter. In fact, I quite didn't sneak yet in the older topics than when I registered. I don't really see how Dumby could not be dead; that doesn't exclude that he might not appear or act in the next book on another form, but even then, he'd be dead anyway... Gal, it's the same for me; I read the books in French, but it becomes not too hard to sort out the right names nonetheless...
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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 22:19:19 GMT
If you don't see how Dumbledore might still be alive, then you might be interested in reading this website. It has some really interesting stuff that could make you wonder. I had already come up with aot of these thoughts before I found the website, but it was interesting to see I wasn't the only one thinking that way. These are the basic thoughts that I mentioned in the other thread, so if you look at the site then you'll know what I am talking about. The site raises alot of questions using passages from the book that might be a hint that he is not really dead. Dumbledore Not DeadShan
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Post by Shan on Mar 5, 2006 22:36:44 GMT
I think the only reason Snape killed Dumbledore or pretended to kill him is because Dumbledore had made him promise to do it. I really don't think it has anything to do with protecting Harry from Voldemort. Could be wrong, but that is what I feel right now. Dumbledore took care of that until Harry becomes of age when he left Harry with the Dursleys. And even the summer he becomes of age if he returns to the Dursleys for a short time he will be protected for one more year. I think Snape and Dumbledore are working together here and are setting things up so that Voldemort can be killed when the time comes. And I would not be surprised if Dumbledore shows up in the next book alive at some point. Me too, Gal. I wish the book came out tomorrow or was already out. Shan
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Post by tragic on Mar 7, 2006 16:47:28 GMT
Wow.....so much in a short space of time.
Ok Shan:
I may have made a small mistake
In chapter 21 when Tonks picks her sleeve, intially i thought it mean that she was touching the Dark Mark but as you point out,it may not be that but it may be that she is trying to hide the Dark Mark and hence she is picking her sleeve to hide it from Harry as he might jump to the wrong conclusion.
When she is meeting Dumbledore she says he might like to know whats going on.
Plus she mentions if Harry is in corrsepondence with any members of the Order.
I took it to mean she hasent been in contact with them.
Why? Becuase she been changing her form into a DE and lurking around the DE's headquarters.
Snape is smeone who passes information.
In chapter 2 he mentions his information was passed which lead to the death of Sirius Black and Emmeline Vance.
So him befriending R.A.B and then passing info which leads to his death is not hard for me to beleive. Its a similar role he plays to this date.
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Post by Shan on Mar 7, 2006 20:05:24 GMT
And Tragic I may have been the one to make the mistake. ;D I can see where you are coming from, but at this point I just can't agree. Maybe later though, because I am doing some more reading and searching especially about the stuff you mentioned. I'm not sure I will ever see Tonks as a Death Eater though. It just doesn't seem to fit her to me. I think the main thing with Tonks is that she is grieving over Sirius' death and she is in love with Lupin. As for Snape, I'll let you know. I still feel like he is own Dumbledore's side and loyal to him. I wonder if Dumbledore saved his life at some point or if he save Dumbledore's at some time and that is the reason Dumbledore trusts him so. There is something there that we don't know and maybe not even have a clue about. Keep going Tragic. Your idea could very well be true. To bad we will have to wait 2 or 3 more years to find out. I'd like to know if you are right, right now. Shan
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Post by LaFille on Mar 10, 2006 2:49:59 GMT
Ok, I went through all the Dumbledore Not Dead website. That didn't convince me completely though; I think he more likely is dead, and that it was on purpose, part of his plan. There were a few points of interest in those pages though. But some others (like those speculations about the way the unbreakable vow works) were pretty weak, imo. But was the last book announced to be published really in 2-3 years? Rowling's plan when she began was to make one HP book per year, but at some point (at the 4th or 5th book) things went wrong, writer's block or something similar, if I recall correctly... And now there would really be quite 3-4 years between the sixth and seventh book... ? About Tonks, I'm with Shan on that one; I think her behavior was driven by the fact that she's in love with Lupin and that she was worried for him being with Greyback and the werewolves. I want to check back for the Snape & R.A.B. things...
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Post by tragic on Mar 10, 2006 15:39:12 GMT
Rowling said she will finish it by this year so it should be released by mid 2007.
I think Dumbledore is dead though. She said somebody would die and they did Dumbledore.
Althougth Harrys task seems impossible... 4 horcruxs and Voldy?
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Post by tragic on Mar 10, 2006 15:41:45 GMT
Good thoughts Shan esp on the smugness of Slughorn. I think Harry seems so far to be outwitted by Malfoy..the tables seem to be turning!!! Will post review of chapter 12 later on.
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 11, 2006 0:30:03 GMT
I don't know if I can post this one here, or if it's posted already but here is goes... I thought it was funny ;D For those who didn't read the Halfblood Prince, this is a spoiler! www.eyetotheworld.com/photos/photos/584.jpg
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Post by Shan on Mar 11, 2006 2:16:33 GMT
*laugh* I disagree. I think Dumbledore is still alive. ;D I have thought t that from the time that it happened. He mayb have died, but if he did he'll be back like the phoenix. Who says he doesn't have a Horcrux of his own. Maybe even Faukes has it. Shan
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 11, 2006 3:04:34 GMT
Yeah, Dumbledore is Gandalf's younger brother, so he also comes back as the White Wizard, Dumbledore the White ;D
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Post by tragic on Mar 11, 2006 14:30:10 GMT
Gal: Lol good stuff you dug up there ;D
I dont think Dumby has a horcrux....to create one you need to commit a murder..Dumby wouldnt do that even when he had the chance to kill Voldy in book 5.
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Post by Shan on Mar 11, 2006 15:47:57 GMT
I really don't think he has one either Tragic. I just threw that thought out. No matter what, at this point, I don't think he is really dead though. There are just to many doubts in my mind. I guess because nothing right there at the end made any sense to me. There were just too many holes in the story for me to accept it. Man, book 7 has alot of questions to be answered. ;D Shan
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Post by Galadriel on Mar 12, 2006 2:01:45 GMT
That JK Rowlings woman has a heavy load on her shoulders. What if she decides to write an 8th book? You never know, it could go on like Dallas... ;D
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Post by Shan on Mar 12, 2006 5:54:21 GMT
Gal, stop it. She has got wrap all this up in the next book. I gotta know what happens and I don't like stories that just go on and on and on. I've been waiting through 6 books for this one and it has got to tie everything together and explain all my questions. And I got bunches. Shan
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